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knoxcotn-digest Friday, December 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 029
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:04:58 -0500 (EST) From: TeddyB_52@webtv.net (Terri Jurca) Subject: Margaret Brown/James L. Hunter Hi Everyone ! Is anyone out there researching Hunters in Knox Co.....probably north knox co..... John Brown b/ 1799 North Carolina m/ Sarah Wood b/ 1805 Tn......they were married Feb. 29 1825...Knox Co. Tn.....they had 10 children...all born in Knox Co. I am searching for their youngest daughter Margaret L.( or M.) b/ 1835 knox co. Margaret married James L. Hunter May 10,1855 Knox Co.Tn. Do any of you Hunter researchers Have these two in your database.??? We can not find them...Did they have children? How many and their names sure would be nice Did they stay in Knox Co. or did they move on to Illinois>arkansas>Texas like a couple of her brothers did ??? I sure would appreciate any help I could get on this line as we are at a brickwall. The other names I am searching are: Cox, Williams, Ogg , Jett, McCloud ( Margaret's sister...Mary A. married James McCloud Jan. 6,1848....in Knox Co.) and her other sister Sarah C. married James Renfro Jan.13,,1849. Thanks to you cuzs on the list we have found Sarah's family and I hope you can come thru for us again and help us find Margaret's and/or Mary A.'s families. Thanks so much for your help :it is so much like family helping out family !! I really love this list !!!! Thanks again , Terri Brown Jurca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:03:36 -0500 From: Leon Lookingbill <leonlook@greene.xtn.net> Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:54:34 EST From: VEWhite@aol.com Subject: Re: Virkus' Compendium of 1st Families of America In a message dated 12/15/1999 5:50:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, knox@tngenweb.org writes: > The Abridged Compendium of American Genealogy First Families of America > The Abridged Compendium of American Genealogy > The Standard Genealogical Encyclopedia of > The First Families of America > Edited by Frederick A. Virkus > Volume I, 1925 > F. A. Virkus & Company Genealogical Publishers, Chicago, Ill. >
I am sorry to have to tell you this, but Virkus is considered a pretty unreliable work by most professional genealogists. It contains lots of "wishful thinking" when it comes to the origins of American colonists. The more recent generations may be accurate, but the very early ones are often not. This work gets a "C" rating at best according to the editors of some of the most respected genealogy journals (such as TAG, TG, and NEGHR).
Vickie Elam White ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:20:00 -0600 From: Marian Dunlap <mdunlap@effingham.net> Subject: Re: Virkus' Compendium of 1st Families of America Amen to the comment as to the reliability of the Virkus' Compendium. It is well known to contain many errors. Marian
> > > The Abridged Compendium of American Genealogy > > The Standard Genealogical Encyclopedia of > > The First Families of America > > Edited by Frederick A. Virkus > > Volume I, 1925 > > F. A. Virkus & Company Genealogical Publishers, Chicago, Ill. > > > > I am sorry to have to tell you this, but Virkus is considered a pretty > unreliable work by most professional genealogists. It contains lots > of "wishful thinking" when it comes to the origins of American > colonists. The more recent generations may be accurate, but the > very early ones are often not. This work gets a "C" rating at best > according to the editors of some of the most respected genealogy > journals (such as TAG, TG, and NEGHR). > > Vickie Elam White ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:01:43 -0800 From: "Billie R. McNamara" <knox@tngenweb.org> Subject: Re: Virkus' Compendium of 1st Families of America Hi, Vickie! Thanks for giving everyone the "heads-up" on the resource. I just thought the preface was interesting reading.... It's a good reminder to everyone to ALWAYS backtrack on sources, even the ones published 100 years or more ago!
At 02:54 PM 12/16/99 -0500, VEWhite@aol.com wrote:
>I am sorry to have to tell you this, but Virkus is considered a pretty >unreliable work by most professional genealogists. It contains lots >of "wishful thinking" when it comes to the origins of American >colonists. The more recent generations may be accurate, but the >very early ones are often not. This work gets a "C" rating at best >according to the editors of some of the most respected genealogy >journals (such as TAG, TG, and NEGHR). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:34:35 -0800 From: "Billie R. McNamara" <knox@tngenweb.org> Subject: Fwd: To the Children of Tomorrow This is too awesome. Please ponder it in the days to come. As always, Jan Philpot, the author, has given permission to disseminate it, as long as she is credited with the authorship. I think it certainly merits sharing with all the individuals and discussion lists where you think it is appropriate to do so. ====================================================================== From: "j" <unicorn@sun-spot.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:39:26 -0500 While I have no idea when or if this will ever be read, on the off-chance it is, here are my words for the children of tomorrow. While I realize this is not "technically" the real year of this great change upon us, it is widely accepted as such...and so the message comes now. It will be given to my children on New Year's Eve. To the children of tomorrow, On this December thirty first of the year one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine, we stand on the edge of a new century and a new millennium. The first is an extraordinary event in and of itself, but every two or three generations of a family will stand watch over the slow ticking away of a century. The second is far more extraordinary, and is so buried beneath the layers of sighs and changes, the rise and fall of cultures, that it is beyond our comprehension to totally grasp the lives of the ancestors who lived a thousand years ago and are responsible for the very breath we draw this night. To speak of the changes that have occurred since those long ago ancestors walked the very face of the earth we now walk would be presumptuous beyond measure, for the changes have extended beyond the comprehension of mortal man and encompass every arena of human development that one can enumerate or imagine. They have been slow changes, but multitudinous. Our computers of today can chronicle the timeline, the facts, the dates, but nothing ...not our computers and not our own minds and hearts can chronicle the changes within thought patterns, cultures, ideas, heart feelings. And yet...perhaps the most earth changing forces of all have developed within the century in which our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents drew breath, watched with amazed expressions as the small communities they called home began to swing wide doors to a greater beyond that touched with exactitude and clarity every corner of the world, yes and beyond the stars, at the speed of a blinking eye. We spring from generations that used a horse and wagon for daily transportation, that cooked using the same wood fuel used from the dawn of time, that washed and spun and planted and gathered.... not so different from those of a thousand years ago in many respects. And we are so close to those generations that more than a few of us well remember the sound of a voice, the touch of a hand, the warmth of a smile from those of our own who spanned that time and this. We are the last generation that can make such a claim. This generation can quite aptly be called a Bridge, the link between a very long past slow in its changes, slow in its growth, carefully plodding toward something only dreamed of and often not truly believed in...and a very exciting and very uncertain future, yet one already promising swiftness in delivery of any imaginable possibility technology can bring. With such a future, unlike anything the past has known, the Generation of the Bridge sees a startling responsibility. We applauded the developments, the communication, the ability to travel, the possibilities, the absolute SPEED at which our society can deliver...we decry the price of such. We fear for the loss of understanding, morality, ethics and values, the very basic elements which defines more completely than technology ever can...what exactly civilization IS. Those things don't come in a fast food line, and can't be purchased with a credit card. They require two very important components...One is an accepting of the definition of "civilization", what separates us from all other life that shares our universe...and the other is quite simply, time. When a house is allowed to be built slowly by master carpenters who know their trade, and for which the tools of the trade are unchanging; when they have served their apprenticeship and grown into their knowledge, when they are allowed time to build with exactitude and precision, with loving attention to detail, polishing with callused hands each board, checking the swing of a door or the soundness of a latch, the house is sound. It will stand the winds that blow and the storms that come. Such was the society the past we see behind us was. Such was the world of the grandfathers and great grandmothers who held us, who told us their stories, who hoped for our future, imparted their values and what they had learned through their slower pace allowing time for real wisdom to grow. They little understood that we were to be called upon to be the Bridge. In their world, and the worlds of all their ancestors preceding, there was time. Time to adapt, to build on mistakes, to learn from them, time to listen, time to mend, time to heal, time to teach. Today not one house is built, but thousands, yes and more. Each of those houses is being remodeled and additions made, landscaping done and re-done, at the same time it is being built. Changes are applied before the first nail is driven or the last shingle is in place...by carpenters who have no time to be masters because what does it mean to master one's trade when tomorrow both the rules and tools have changed? There is no security in knowledge or respect for those who have attained it, for knowledge multiplies a thousand times over in a twenty-four hour period. There is no respect for the elders, the shaman, the wisdom of age and experience...for those who are caught up in this new wave of changes bombarding us every second of every day can see no Bridge. No realistic way that the elders looked to for guidance in the past can possibly connect to the future that is now. Perhaps it is ONLY the Bridge that CAN possibly see the connection...and therein, perhaps, lies our true responsibility. What defines civilization has never changed, nor will it change in all of the millenniums to come in which man survives. More than ever our wise men, our shaman, our elders are needed...with their words of strength, their comfort, but most of all their words of just how master carpentry can tackle building in a world of today with the values of a yesterday. Unless we can impart with dignity to those willing to hear, many of us fear the children of tomorrow will find their houses crumbling in mighty heaves to a ground that quivers with no foundation. Unless we can discover a way to be heard above the glitz of a clamoring media, a clamoring age, a restless driven spirit, we fear the children of tomorrow will look one day for a shaman only to find there has been no environment for wise men to grow, or climate for sound characters to flourish. No planet is so beckoning that we must thrill to reach it at the price of our own. No communication is so needed that we must blindly rush toward it at the price of understanding what communication really is, and how it can better mankind and not harm it. No power is so wonderful as the power of knowing oneself, and no media is so exciting as the serenity that grows from brotherhood with one's world and our place in it. We would not, as parents, have given our toddler the keys to an automobile capable of traveling a hundred miles an hour....and yet in our rush, our thrill, with quickly obtained technology...that is exactly what has happened. Our society is filled with toddlers in whose hands are the "toys" that can destroy them in the blink of an eye...and at the same time, our toddlers have not had time to grow into the patience and wisdom to know how those "toys" might best be put to use. It is a frightening future the Bridge sees, an exciting one, but a gamble....and the stakes weigh heavy. Our children of tomorrow, understand what civilization is....what character is, give your shaman a chance to be born and to grow into a cloak that can shelter your building from the storms. Choose Master Carpenters.and look to the past for your lessons. The passage of a millennium to follow this one may well depend upon it. Generation of the Bridge...those of us who span two worlds, the agrarian age and the technological one... it is our responsibility to be just that...a Bridge. In New Mexico there is a bridge. When it was built it was called "The Bridge to Nowhere" ecause there truly was no road on the other side that led to anyplace at all. Whether by the hand of fate or the hand of God, we are a Bridge. The rest of the title has yet to be determined. just a thought, jan ------------------------------ End of knoxcotn-digest V1 #29 ***************************** |