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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:16:33 -0500

From: "Phyllis Brandon" <brandonp@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: Let's get this party started!!!

Hello!

I live in the Fountain City area of Knoxville, where I grew up. The Knox

Co. lines that I am researching, including mine and my husband's, are

CLAIBORNE, LISBY/LUSBY, HARRIS, SIMPSON, ELZA, FRANKLIN, ROTH,

BRANDON, LEGG, FROST, HALL, BAKER, HICKEY, OSBORNE, NELSON, WELLS,

LUTTRELL, OWENS, SMITH (West Knox Co.), STOUT, and RUSSELL, NORMAN,

COOPER, HICKS from Knox/Anderson Cos.

Anyone else working on these surnames?

Phyllis Norman Brandon

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:20:41 -0500

From: "dgarris" <dgarris@gulftel.com>

Subject: Claiborne Co. Wells

Hi, Phyllis. I noticed you said you were in Ft. City area. I was born and

raised in Knoxville, but have lived away since 1952. Knoxville will always

be home no matter how long one lives away from it.

I noticed you were researching Wells in Claiborne Co. I have some Wells

ancestors who lived there. I am looking for the death date and burial place

of Elizabeth Moses Wells who married George Wells in VA. I located

Elizabeth as head of household in 1870 in Claiborne and later living in the

home of her son, Jeremiah. She died sometime after the 1880 census. Is

this your line?

C.G.

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:11:11 -0500

From: "Jeanne M. Bornefeld" <jeanneb@fwi.com>

Subject: Hawkins

Dear List Members,

I have just subscribed and hope to find out much about Knox Co. My

proven ancestor, Aaron Hawkins, was in Anderson Co. in 1811 serving as a

sworn chain carrier for Edward Hawkins. Aaron left Anderson County in

1817 with Matthew Hawkins, who was in Knox County in 1799, prior to

being in Anderson at its formation. So he was probably living in that

part of Knox that was cut out for Anderson. They, Edward and Matthew

lived on the east fork of Poplar Creek. I have not been able to find out

how to prove relationship among these three men. Any suggestions would

be appriciated. The only information on these people in the McClung

Library, the last time I was there, was my own. Thank you for any

thoughts. Jeanne Bornefeld

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:28:47 -0600

From: "J.C. Ingram" <jdingram@apex.net>

Subject: Re: Let's get this party started!!!

Hi Gang!

I'm a Caldwell from across the river in Blount Co. I married a handsome

young man from an old LBL family and moved to Western KY many years ago. My

Caldwells were in Knox Co. at its inception. I'm not sure whether they moved

or the county lines did. Joseph, my earliest ancestor, married Susannah

Duff of Rockbridge Co., VA in 1797.

My genealogy hobby started 18 years ago while helping my grandfather. He

was a homebound genealogist and needed help with the footwork. Little did I

know what I was getting into!

Other surnames I dabble with include Williams, Downey, Grindell, Clemons,

Gamble, Bryant, Fancher and Shular.

Judy Caldwell Ingram

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:54:37 -0500

From: "Billie R. McNamara" <knox@tngenweb.org>

Subject: That McClung Collection URL

David Bentley was kind enough to let me know I'd mistyped the URL for the

McClung Historical Collection page I have put up.

<http://web.utk.edu/~kizzer/genehist/> will take you to the main TN Gene &

History website I have. There's a link from the main links page to the

McClung Collection.

I need Gas-X for my brain sometimes....<g>

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:02:47 -0600

From: motesp@hiwaay.net

Subject: FRENCH, CARRICK, CROZIER, WHITE, or LAWSON

Hi,

I have to admit that I'm not from Knox County, but I do look good in

orange! I'm from way out west - Lawrence County, TN. And I've been doing

genealogy since I was a child, many, many, many years ago <G>.

Billie wrote:

>Also, a word of caution to everyone: ALWAYS backtrack on the work of

>anyone else who tells you they've identified a historic figure to make sure

>they didn't make a research mistake.

And Billie hit one of my major Knox County "problems" on the head with that

one. I am currently working on my brother-in-law's FRENCH family. He has

a book, Knoxville, a University of Tennessee Press publication from 1958.

And now I have the difficult task of proving the book - that his cousins

all claim is accurate, correct, perfect - is in error.

The book states that Elizabeth (Lizzie) CROZIER was the granddaughter of

Hugh Lawson WHITE. And she may be, but I can't find the connection. The

book claims that her father was John CROZIER and her mother Isabella WHITE.

Her husband, William B. FRENCH, was the son of William Baxter French and,

I almost positive, Isabella White. Why would I think this?

William B. French married Lizzie Crozier on 7 May 1872 in Knox County

(found on the internet under Knox County marriages - thank you!!) On the

1870 Knox County census, there is an Isabella French in Knox County (all I

have is an index). She was 50; there was also a William French in Knox

County, age 58.

On the 1850 Knox County Census I find William B. French, age 36, with

Isabella L., 30. In that household was also Hn. L. W. age 6, Allen age 4,

William age 2, and Samuel A. WHITE, age 25 as well as Nancy N. SCOTT, age 26.

On the 1860 census there is, in Knox County, a William French age 12 - the

book has an astrisk by his name; I cannot find William B. or Isabella

anywhere. And I don't have access to the actual census to try to find who

William age 12 was living with.

Incidently, on the 1860 Knox County census, there is a John H. CROZIER, age

48, Mary W., age 38, Ether W., 17 (m), Cornelia age 14, John H. age 12,

James W. 10, Lizzie 8, William 6, Lucy G. 4, Mary 1, Adelia 15, and Wm.

WILLIAMS age 49. (The book Knoxville states that Lizzie Crozier taught

school with her sisters Lucy and Mary; I'm pretty confident this is her

family on the census.)

On the internet I have also found a chart of Hugh Lawson White and his wife

Elizabeth Moore CARRICK that lists their children as: Charles, James,

Elizabeth, Mary, Lucinda, Peggy, Cynthia, Malinda, Hugh, Isabella, and

Samuel. I contend that the Samuel White listed on the 1850 census with the

FRENCH family is Isabella's brother; I don't know who the Nancy SCOTT could

have been.

Anyway, I'm in the process of documenting this family. If anyone is

researching the surnames FRENCH, CARRICK, CROZIER, WHITE, or LAWSON, please

contact me. From what I've read, Hugh Lawson White was the son of Mary

Lawson and James WHITE; and this James White may have been one of the

founders of Knoxville.

Hopefully I'll be able to get over to Knoxville in the near future to

search the files in the McClung Collection. But until then, I'll keep

hoping to get lucky! Clues to the location of "source documents" about any

of the above-named families would be greatly appreciated.

Pat Motes

motesp@hiwaay.net

Lawrence County, TN

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:06:53 -0600

From: "Linda Gipson" <lgipson@mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: That McClung Collection URL

Billie, I don't think you mistyped the URL. For some reason, the ">" at the

end of the highlighted portion was also highlighted and underlined,

rendering the URL invalid. I hit the reply button to make your post

editable and then cut out the URL up to the ">" symbol, pasted it into my

browser, and voila!

http://web.utk.edu/~kizzer/ethisctr/

I have been a shameless lurker on the invaluable Dumplin mailing list and

subscribed to Knox County as some of my East TN forebears drifted through at

times. My East TN surnames are Moyers/Myers, Blackburn, Driskill/Driscoll,

Reams/Reames in Jefferson County and Gipson/Gibson, Abel/Abell, Walker in

Bledsoe, Roane, Cumberland, all very early.

Linda

- ----- Original Message -----

From: Billie R. McNamara <knox@tngenweb.org>

To: <knoxcotn@rootsquest.com>

Sent: December 01, 1999 10:54 PM

Subject: That McClung Collection URL

> David Bentley was kind enough to let me know I'd mistyped the URL for the

> McClung Historical Collection page I have put up.

>

> <http://web.utk.edu/~kizzer/genehist/> will take you to the main TN Gene &

> History website I have. There's a link from the main links page to the

> McClung Collection.

>

> I need Gas-X for my brain sometimes....<g>

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:42:35 -0800

From: "Billie R. McNamara" <knox@tngenweb.org>

Subject: Re: Lets get the party started

Hi, Pat! It's great to see a South Knoxvillian pop up on the list.

At 02:40 PM 12/1/99 -0600, Patricia Graves Reagan wrote:

>I am from Knoxville.I am from the south side of Knoxville and graduated

>from good old Young High School, class of 1959.Some of our best football

>game was with Central. I now live in Neenah Wisconsin for the last 35

>years.

Do you remember Dickie and David Tipton? Dickie was a big football star at

Young about the time you were there. He's my aunt's baby brother. Was

Ruth Cate at Young then? She was librarian there for years. She's in her

90's, and still a crackerjack genealogist.

>I two have been blessed with great research in the Graves line. John

>Sebastian Graves (Graves) is 9th grandfather and three of his children

>are of my line. John and Sarah Sharp, Sebastian Graves and Sarah

>Effland, Barbara Graves and Henry Sharp. Now the females lines I have

>not been so lucky at. Thomas Hall and his wife Nancy Hayes, Michael

>Fraker, Peter Kitts, Margaret Severs or Sevier,and it covers Claiborne,

>Grainger, Anderson, Union and Knox , most of these name are about the

>time Tennessee became a state.

Wow! You have some seriously pioneer families. Have you joined the First

Families of Tennessee yet? I've seen research on the Kitts and Graves

families -- I did my student teaching 20 years ago at Gibbs Elementary

School, so I learned a lot about the Graves folks and Graveston area.

>Its good to be home again if only in my dreams. I am not just interested

>in names and dates. I want some history.I would l would like to know if

I know how you feel -- click your shoes three times, and you never know

what might happen! <wink>

It's great to hear someone else want to know the history of things. When I

teach genealogy classes, I inundate <g> my students with examples to

support the notion that they should be historians using the scientific

method in all their genealogy research. Of course, they also become

amateur philosophers, political scientists, economists, cartographers,

financial experts, anthropologists, sociologists, psychologists, and much

more!!!

>a book has been written on Ft. Sanders Hospital. Young High School

>history, Founders and history of Sharps Chapel, Halls

>Crossroads,Highland Memorial Cemetery, More about those early settlers

>that settle the land like the Graves, in Graverson, Sharps, Gibbs,

>Albrights, and some of the others that came from Orange County NC. in

>the 1790s and 1800.

A lot of that history is actually available at the McClung Historical

Collection in Knoxville. They have thousands of vertical file folders with

clippings from the paper, booklets, manuscripts, and more on topics and

surnames. You might also try to find a copy of _French-Broad Holston

Country_, which was published by the East TN Historical Society. It's a

pretty good Knox County history.

I'm working on the Gibbs early history for the Knox Co TNGenWeb

site....look for an announcement here when it's ready.

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